The Null Hypothesis
I am considering whether to abandon this blog, perhaps to start another. I started this blog with the intention of documenting my happy advancement in Krishna consciousness, but instead it quickly turned into a chronology of outrage, grief, and disappointment in the Hare Krishna movement. I’ve had little good to say about it for the past six years.
I’ve never thought of the Hare Krishna movement as separate from Krishna, as if it was out of His control. If He isn’t even the Lord of the devotees, then who? I spent fifteen years directing my love and worship up the parampara, and now the blame gas to go up too. Prabhupada created a monster with ISKCON that hurt many lives very deeply. Where is Krishna? Who can fix this? I asked if Krishna could be nice, if He would help, but He continues only remain as if He did not exist. What is this?? What kind of God arranges the torture and rape of His devotees’ children when He should be protecting them, and who otherwise does not seem to care? One who should be disregarded.
So my search has ended, but not in the way I hoped or expected.
I also think that ISCKON is a Monster.
My bother used to love me and my parents very much.During his job he stayed with ISCKON centre for around 2 years.He slowly started to hate us and lie us.
Then out of sudden through some incidences he left us with very bad treatment to my parents.He came only once home in last four year.He doesn’t talk with my parents.
This is not what they have expected after they raise him through many difficulties.
I think ISCKON need people to work for their monstrous organization.So they turn emotionally weak youngsters against their parents by preaching them this as the material world,if they want to liberate from it they can join ISCKON.
I need to get my brother out of it.He can always pray by staying with us.
How should I get him out?
Pravin, I can relate to what you’re saying. The philosophy they teach, if accepted, can enter very deep into the mind. One’s whole perspective can change so that one’s ideas of bad and good can reverse in some ways. They have probably taught him that bodily relationships are illusion, and that his real family is ISKCON. This is done in such a way that it’s hard for a believer not to accept it. I never rejected my family, but I became somewhat distant and thought less of them than they deserved. I thought I had achieved some knowledge and could save them by my spiritual practices. Fortunately I got over that idea, but it wasn’t easy.
It’s hard to say what might help your family since I don’t know them, but I think if you show some interest about Krishna to your brother, he would probably want to ‘cultivate’ that, and this could give you a way to reach him. But it could also backfire. Really, just being true is probably the best bet. Just make sure he knows you love him no matter what. We can’t really control each other, but everyone is attracted by love.
Paul prabhu,
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. PAMFO
I’m here at your site, having received an email from one devotee
— On Fri, 8/5/11, .com> wrote:
From: .com>
Subject: response to pandu
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Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 11:21 AM
pandu wrote this:
http://oppositerule.govindapeacefarm.com/?p=986
Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu instructed, (CC Adi 9.36,30) “Give this Krsna consciousness process to everyone,” So Srila Prabhupada did so, His also having received instruction from His Guru Maharaja to preach Krsna consciousness to the English speaking people.
It’s not that Srila Prabhupada “created a monster,” but that WE did, by NOT following Srila Prabhupada’s instructions )as individuals, and collectively). So many examples can be giving in these regards, but no need…
Srila Prabhupada wanted us to read His books, I’m sure a good part of the reason, so that we would be able to understand through them what was right and what wasn’t. (Sadly, so many of us, me included, did not read Srila Prabhupada’s books. I read BEFORE I moved into a temple, but after that, it was simply service, service and more service. Even the books of Srila Prabhupada that I had brought with me when I moved into the temple, get taken from me, so…)
There are many places where Srila Prabhupada tries to give warnings to readers of His books regarding who/ what is a devotee and who / what isn’t; what are the qualities of a devotee, etc. If I had been “up and up” on the books, and had been possessed of sufficient character strength (for protecting myself – because I’m very good at protecting others), I would not have sustained the exploitations and out and out abuses I did at the hands of certain demonic people within ISKCON.
You are an intelligent person – thus your also feeling so upset by what discrepencies you’re seeing regarding what “is” present-day ISKCON and what “should be” the ISKCON Srila Prabhupada wanted / intended.
Right from the very beginning, Srila Prabhupada KNEW there were some (very) DEMONIC people who came to Him. Based on Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s CC Adi 9.36,30 order (and Srila Prabhupada’s Own compassion), Srila Prabhupada couldn’t (didn’t) tell them “Get out of here.” Srila Prabhupada allowed them to stay to render service, etc., so they could make Krsna conscious advancement despite their demoniac tendencies.
At the same time, Srila Prabhupada tried to give warning to other devotees, even stating that there “are demons in this Krsna consciousness movement.” (The problem was that for so many of us, including me, this didn’t sink in properly. But Srila Prabhupada DID TRY to WARN us.)
Not everyone wearing devotee clothing or tilak, is a devotee, nor is everyone who is standing before the Deities. Srila Prabhupada (in His Madhya 1.220 purport) quotes Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur regarding the presence of Kali celas. MANY people now in ISKCON are there because it is more (monetarily, and in other ways) lucrative for them.
Prabhu, Please try to understand that this ISKCON movement attracted a LOT of DEMONIC people to it. (Srila Prabhupada knew this.) The problem was that so many of us, including you and me, didn’t realize this. Atmavan manyate jagat: One relates to others based on the platform that s/he comes from; meaning if you’re loving, caring and honest, you credit others with being the same as you, and are suprised when they aren’t and are SHOCKED when you find out how DIShonest (and out and out DEMONIC) some of them are.
MANY ISKCON GBC (and gurus) are VERY!!! DEMONIC!!! So are some of the temple presidents, as well as some of the people living in the temples.
Krsna consciousness is a philosophy of LOVE; loving Krsna and loving His parts and parcels. Srila Prabhupada did NOT preach hatred of family members. This is something that has been MISunderstood by different devotees, who passed on such “preaching” to others.
It is up to the individual to make decisions for themselves whether having association with some person – be they a family member, friend, a person with whom they’ve made some acquaintance, or even another person who is (dressed as a) devotee – is conducive for their development of Krsna consciousness (and they may also be taking into consideration, wether through their own association, they may be serving to help someone else in making some Krsna conscious benefit).
So one needs to separate the pure philosophy (and know how Srila Prabhupada as a PURE devotee was living and trying to teach us through His example) from the lives and actions of people, who, although possessed of devotee names, and say they “are devotees,” are not living according to the criteria attributed by sastra and sadhu regarding who / what IS a devotee.
Your servant,
B. Radha-Govinda
Hare Krsna
dear paul howard,
HARE KRSNA
ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA !!!
i have read your recently published piece on your null set hypothosis and i felt the need for a compassionate reply, offering you that “escape between the horns of a dilemma” alternative thought choice that so many devotees have been denied through their current association with the ISKCON organization that one finds themselves facing for the last three and one half decades. the chaos created by the “asylum is in the hands of the inmates” situation, mirrored through the ISKCON society as well as the human society at large, give little solace to those seeking shelter from the blazing fire of material existance.
we have had some past correspondence through a mutual contact, mother mahavegavati (AKA radha govinda swami, shaligram sila swami, etc.) and usually it was when you were some what troubled about some philosophical issue and she suggested that i share my views with you. i am continuing to do that here and if it is intrusive into your life, i will cease at your request, but before i retire to “awaiting your reply” i would like to point out a number of “philosophical” and “practically realizable” issues you may consider and then watch as the events will unfold in the up coming history of this planet. if after contemplation of the events that are about to unfold on this planet, and as they start to manifest their ferocity on the inhabitants of this global village that have so bought into the american way of dealing with things, the very direction that Srila Prabhupada warned us that we must not let the planet go towards, we can foresee the doom that faces some in the very near future. the frustration felt by the sincere devotees who see that little or nothing is being done on many of the former preaching fronts is expressed often and strongly in much of your writings and i’m sure that you’re branded as a traitor and an offender by many of those that you’ve sought “devotee association” from. the problem may be that you have not looked in all the right places yet.
on behalf of Srila Prabhupada AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaj, i would like to apologize for the the behavior of some of these seemingly “older devotees” in His ISKCON movement and i would like to kindly inform you that they will all be very soon “put in their proper places” by none other than That Lord HimSelf Who you have so bodaciously challenged here.
you asked: ” If He isn’t even the Lord of the devotees, then who? ” and in so doing, you pointed to a number of logical discrepancies that organizationally, be it the current hydra headed monstrosity or the earlier version of what many call ISKCON, appear to be in violation of. “why would God allow this?” you’ve posited as a question, and as with many of the rest of us, you have left ISKCON with a bad taste in your mouth after never receiving satisfactory answers from any of the temple authorities, and in most cases, even the speaking on the subject matter is enough to have one removed from any iSKCON temple under the guise that whatever you are saying is “ritvkism”, the new communism that we are all supposed to hate every day during the 15 minute hate period held daily for these philosophical miscreants. your question raises a number of issues that ISKCON neither has the resources or the cfapacity to deal with at the present time. unfortunately they are leaderless at the present moment, and such indecision on most philosphiocal questions make them look almost as impotent as most of them are. if He is not their Lord, then they are not “the devotees”, just like if Srila Prabhupada Swami Maharaj is not their leader, they are not the real ISKCON. QED. i hear you brother, but do not throw The Baby out with that dirty bathwater.
you’ve also said: “What kind of God arranges the torture and rape of His devotees’ children when He should be protecting them, and who otherwise does not seem to care? One who should be disregarded.” and while you have both asked and answered the question yourself, we cannot agree with your erroneous conclusions in this regard. first, in answer to your question “what kind of God?” the answer is The Same All Loving God, KRSNA, that you may have heard something of through the ISKCON organization. your “spiritual realization” is limited to the same level of advancement as your Guru, who ISKCON presumes incorrectly to be bhakti tirtha, and therein lies your problem. Srila Prabhupada does not offer us these contradictions between the standard that He preached of and the standard that He lived, as do many of these current day “pretenders to the throne”. you may recall that KRSNA did the very same thing(was present when child abuse occured on the devotee children of Vrndaban), He and that “mysterious voice from the sky”, narada muni, who even personally assisted in the infantacide, nothing i suspect would past standard muster as these days, yours or any one else’s, as very good “day care”. was He responsible then? did He kill His Own nephew abhimanu, the child of His Sister Subhadra, also Vishnu Tattva, just to further incite arjuna to be sure that he would kill the miscreants when the time comes ready, and those times are fast approaching.
you then answered your own question about “which God?” with the errant conclusion “one that should be abandoned”. if. knowing KRSNA’s Pastimes, you feel that He too was guilty of such injustices, you may as well hate Him for too much girlfriends as well, as do many of the other impersonalists. the Hare KRSNA Mahamantra is the reccommended medicine to cure the impersonalism showing there. no one can stop you from “aspiring for Srila Prabhupada” as your real Guru, and that might just solve a lot of the problems, at least for some time.
good luck.
john sinkowski AKA janmastami das
Dear Pandu,
this is your old friend Corey, Caitanya.
I also feel this way a lot, I even feel angry at Krsna too sometimes, that WHY did he allow these children to be molested, and WHY hasn’t anything been done about it?
Why does God allow evil things to happen to God people is a question I have also struggled with and have not found an answer to.
As for ISKCON, man, you need to COMPLETELY disregard and disassociate yourself from that sick organization. It is a completely sick organization, so it is best to have NO ASSOCIATION with it at all. Just chanting and doing sadhana in your own home is good enough. I personally have nothing to do with ISKCON and have not had anything to do with it for over 3 years now.
I too am praying that something will happen, that these MONSTERS who did this to the children will be punished soon. Maybe we need to get involved in trying to prosecute them and expose them.
Anyway, I don’t really have any answers, I am equally as confused. I feel a lot of anger towards these demons in the leadership positions in ISKCON and wish that they would all be finished soon. I know without a doubt that they are very sick demons who need to be sent straight to hell.
Let’s keep in touch, my email is cananzacorey@yahoo.com and skype is MRAcc108
I’m going to redirect you back to a post you made 5 years ago.
http://oppositerule.blogspot.com.au/2008/06/unflinching-faith.html
This is what ISKCON puts you through. You can see yourself how you rejected logic, facts, empirical data and reasoning just on the basis of your so called “Krsna Consciousness” which had never been scientifically proven and had survived through scars of authoritative abuse.
This is a comment you wrote to a certain “Swami Iconoclast” and “Govindanandini” on that post. After your argument was defeated, you labelled their argument as “blasphemy” then resorted to ad hominem attacks for the rest of the comment. “ISKCON is for serious spiritual seekers”…haha, that was a good one.
“Hare Krishna. I really don’t have time for your nonsense, and that is all that it is: stupid nonsense and a waste of my time. It is clear that you have rejected Srila Prabhupada’s spiritual instruction, and are only interested in blaspheme. I prefer to have open discussion but between Iconoclast’s relentless, obnoxious sarcasm, and Govindanandini’s perverted intelligence, it’s obvious that my blog as become infested with parasites. Both of you can find someone else to bother. I don’t have time for you. I suggest that you both forget about ISKCON and do whatever else you feel like doing. ISKCON is for serious spiritual seekers, which you obviously are not. ”
A few months ago, I would end this with “Hare Krishna”, but what is there to be learnt from a society that promotes rape, racism, and sexism?
Goodbye.
In fact, my attempt to prove this “null hypothesis” has not been very successful. I’ve been trying sincerely to learn and assimilate atheistic philosophy, but have been frustrated that it addresses Abrahamic religions but doesn’t seem to beat what I’ve learned of Vedanta, either Advaita or Vaisnava schools.
Consequently I’ve found myself lately spending much more time trying to educate atheists about Vedanta than learning from them. So far I haven’t been able to identify any convincing argument to undermine my education in Vedanta.
The scandals that have been perpetrated in or by ISKCON are certainly upsetting to me, but allowing them to affect me so much was more of an emotional response than a philosophical one. For example, while I may not like that the “law of karma” seems to place blame on victims, that’s not really a valid refutation. It’s an emotional response.
Perhaps you could help me by articulating your objections again for my consideration.
you have been called Pandu, and if you consider his plight, your dilemma’s might not seem quite so large. therein also lies your solution to your problem. it is said that by understanding these literary Incarnations of The Lord, both MahaBharata and Sri Ramayana, all the solutions to all the problems of life are presented therein. knowing this is real FAITH, not the dogmatic recitation of some “party line” philosphical gobbledy gook that neither makes any sense, nor is it authorized. “one who says he is My devotee isn’t and he who says he isn’t, actually is.” it is very paradoxical.
as in your your earlier thesis “the null hypothesis”, you seem to misidentify some of the cause and effect relations, but that is customary. your continued philosphical growth, a prerequisite for any real spiritual evolution, is indicated by your return to the same KRSNA conscious pursuits that had earlier led to your frustration. the misidentifying Srila Prabhupada with the rascal antics performed by some of the semi trained monkeys that Srila Prabhupada was forced to employ has bewildered most real ISKCON supporters, while these rascals with their hands in the til perform the requisite number of offenses before KRSNA delivers “the sisupal sweep”. expect it! how could it go any other way? and knowing that that level of activity is going on here and now, expect a solution. we do. we’ve also found some solace in this verse from the Srimad bhagavatam:
“SB 2.7.37: When the atheists, after being well versed in the Vedic scientific knowledge, annihilate inhabitants of different planets, flying unseen in the sky on well-built rockets prepared by the great scientist Maya, the Lord will bewilder their minds by dressing Himself attractively as Buddha and will preach on subreligious principles.
the invalidity of the null hypothesis is indicated by it’s fallacial inception, that is, the concept that there can exist a point in time or space where the identity equation does not hold. that occurs exactly zero, or as Srila Prabhupada calls it “jeeero”, times. this fallacy of proving itself by itself is the tighest form of circular reasoning, much like a dog chasing his own tail, which is exactly what the mayavadis preaching such balderdash should be viewed as.
it is said that when the green parrot flies into the green tree, he is seen as part of the tree. still, he does not loose his identity. similarly with ISKCON at this moment, many parrot like parasites are feasting on the ISKCON mango tree they have availed themselves of all these years, but many have taken this process to new heights, actually to new lows, but in this world of duality both contradictory options are actually more alike than they are dissimilar. you have asked “who can rectify this?” and answered your own question, properly, by asking “where is KRSNA?”, indicating that in your heart of hearts, you know that you should be looking for Him when conditions become this deplorable. you are correct in this assessment.
you asked “What kind of God arranges the torture and rape of His devotees’ children when He should be protecting them?” and you must know that KRSNA did just that. He also arranged for the killing of His Own Nephew, Abhimanu, Arjuna’s son by KRSNA’s Own Sister Subhadra, just to enrage Arjuna further so that he would kill all the maharathis who performed so poorly. we can see abundant similarities with the present connundrums that poor behavior by otherwise exhalted personalities brings. we must expect similar results, given the same rules(scripture being ABSOLUTE and all) and the same conditions. it cannot be “a guess”, but must be accepted as a “maybe not yet manifest”, but a nonetheless, “certainty”.
good luck on your eternal journey.
john sinkowski A/K/A janmastami das
Thank you, Janmastami, for your thoughtful comment. I’m not sure what to say in return, because my mood on this subject is so turbulent. But I do appreciate the kind folks including yourself who have remained friends despite my upset.
Hi Janmastami,
I read your response and gleaned from it that we should “wait and be patient”. We, the collective body of people who got alienated and burned out from ISKCON, have been “waiting” and trying to be patient for years now, for a solution to come.
It just comes back to my old argument. I will not worship Krsna until HE fulfills HIS responsibility to give protection to his devotees. So far he has not. He has not punished and removed the demons controlling society, both in ISKCON and in the outer world at large, the Illuminati.
If tomorow, Krsna removed all these demons from power, removed the bogus gurus, removed the satanic elite, I’d be more than happy to go back to the joyful system of KC which it used to be.
How can any person in their right mind worship a God who lets the world turn to such shit? 27,000 children starve to death every single day on this earth. Sorry but I’m not really sure I want to worship God, an “All powerful” being who supposedly has the power to stop such injustices but does nothing and lets it continue.
At this point, it’s up to God himself. How can we be expected to worship a God while we are living in such an uncomfortable and horrible world as at present? At this point, it’s up to God to SHOW a few visible signs or changes or else I’m afraid that most of us (I am talking about the collective group of humanity that has lost faith in God) cannot find the will to worship him. Looking at all the bad things that have happened, God himself seems like a very cruel person. How about he shows a little bit of kindness for once? Remove the bankers and other global elite from power and create an abundance paradigm, a world where everyone has their needs taken care of (which is very easily possible)? Free energy technology has existed for over 100 years, created by Nikola Tesla. His technology was suppressed by the energy companies. We could already be living in a very advanced society if it had not been for the greed of mankind, especially of the ELITE. As for food production, we could easily feed the entire planet. But the ELITE would rather waste hundreds of billions of dollars on war, on killing people, than do something to HELP people like build hospitals, schools, temples/churches, and so on.
The Illuminati, the ELITE, has been a parasite sucking on the blood on the human race. In many ways, it mirrors what has happened in ISKCON.
A lot of people have talked about post December 21, 2012, and how there has been a massive awakening in the common man, and more people than ever are realizing that our governments, our LEADERS, are corrupt at all levels. The process of taking back our power, as sovereign beings, from the hands of the demoniac elites, might not go as fast as we thought it would, but it is certainly happening. A lot of new age people also talk about angels and higher dimensional beings (corresponds to the Vedic idea of the devas) who are trying to guide our planet and protect it. One guy even said that the demigods have protected the earth many times, stopping nuclear war from happening.
Either way, the whole paradigm with which people view reality is changing very fast now. Who knows where it will lead, but it’s very possible that we are all going to be re-united with our cosmic family soon. We are all related, whether we are humans, demigods, sages, mystics, or whatever.
Maybe the golden age is beginning. The term “golden age” has become very popular and in common use lately. Seems like people are finally waking up. It’s just slightly frustrating that they woke up at a slower pace than those of us who were already ready for a new world years ago. Even I am learning to judge them less and to accept them, because it is the unity that will lead us all into the light.
corey prabhu,
HARE KRSNA
ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA !!!
thank you so much for your kind consideration to comment on some of our ramblings. if you have found some irregularities in some of the things that i have posted, i accept your conclusions in that regard. where, however, we do take exception, is with the unsupported premise that because we may not see the perfection and the wisdom of something, that it cannot be so. the error here could be with our vision of the “imperfection”, where none really exists. from our own individual limited perspective, it is sometimes hard to see the big picture, the broad minded or mahatma view. this is required, or at least, it is prefered to the biting pain of experiecing the joys and sufferings of the material world.
i have read your response and am trying to understand it’s meaning. i have noted a variety of emotions in your response, many things that i agree with, and some i find less philosophically appealing. some of these emotions i can identify with exactly, while yet others seem as part of the problem and not the solution.
for example, we find these:
“We, the collective body of people who got alienated and burned out from ISKCON, have been “waiting” and trying to be patient for years now, for a solution to come”
“my old argument. I will not worship Krsna until HE fulfills HIS responsibility to give protection to his devotees.”
“tomorow, Krsna removed all these demons from power, removed the bogus gurus, removed the satanic elite, I’d be more than happy to go back to the joyful system of KC which it used to be”
“Sorry but I’m not really sure I want to worship God, an “All powerful” being who supposedly has the power to stop such injustices but does nothing and lets it continue.}
“At this point, it’s up to God himself. How can we be expected to worship a God while we are living in such an uncomfortable and horrible world as at presen”
” the whole paradigm with which people view reality is changing very fast now. Who knows where it will lead, but it’s very possible that we are all going to be re-united with our cosmic family soon”
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there are some other items, slightly less troubling, but nonetheless, in need of either revision or explanation. still, these seem more significant than those other propositions, so we will examine these postulates first. examined through the lens of propositional calculus logic, we find many of the classical aristotlean fallaciess to be already incorporated into some neatly prepackaged, prepared arguments, most of which derive their apparent followings through equivocation and begging the premises.
of the included 6 quotations, we make note that the first 5 say virtually the same thing and are therefore redundant. you yourself have said: “my old argument. I will not worship Krsna until HE fulfills HIS responsibility to give protection to his devotees.”, and you have repeated it, 5 times for emphasis. the 6th statement, an interjection of optimism, belies your other conclusions, and hopefully pushes toward your very optimistic conclusion,
“Maybe the golden age is beginning. The term “golden age” has become very popular and in common use lately. Seems like people are finally waking up. It’s just slightly frustrating that they woke up at a slower pace than those of us who were already ready for a new world years ago. Even I am learning to judge them less and to accept them, because it is the unity that will lead us all into the light.”
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the optimism expressed in your conclusion, totally unsupported by all your included expressions, leaves us wondering how you have apparently come upon a correct conclusion from such obviously dubious premises. there must be errant reasoning afoot. ISKCON suffers much the same dilemma, virtually with each position piece they offer, witness the dandavats.com fluff policy pieces they release that require draconian censorship methods, lest their own recently concocted bogus policies be revealed as such, in front of an audience ISKCON wishes would not come to know reality. then they trot out some prolific gas bag like akruranath, bhadra, kk or one of the others, often only to deviate further from The Truth.
you have made some references to the illuminati, but we prefer to use Srila Prabhupada’s often used, exact word “demons”, because that is what they truly are. if we examine the brooding conditions of war set before us on the planet, the “think globally, act locally” maxim becomes more than just a “suggested guideline”, it becomes a refreshing perch from which to watch these events unfold before us. we are helpless to do anything, anything other than desire, and it is our desire that makes it so. it has lately become fashionable to speak of “all things india” as if there were some special magic to the open sewers of delhi’s redlight district, when nothing that special is there. still, many of ISKCON’s ‘leading cadre’ have lost their way under very similar circumstances, each after having claimed that they were eligible to succeed Srila Prabhupada as “Initiating Diksa Guru in ISKCON”, when clearly, “NONE IS EVER NEEDED OR DIRECTED!”, but such concepts have merely arisen out of the recent droppings of ISKCON’s SAC, which is an obvious embarassment to all things spiritual. these theories (which is all ISKCON can offer anymore, more bogus, concocted theories, each explaining the mistakes of their earlier revisions. by His july 9, 1977 directive, j9 for short, Srila Prabhupada set the guidelines by which all people coming after them could mark their progress.)show that a slight deviation, over time, will become “an insurmountable obstacle” to reconciliation. many, in futility, have similarly, thrown up there hands and “left ISKCON”, which Srila Prabhupada said never to do. how to reconcile all these apparent contradictions?
the understanding here, and a proper understanding we hope it is, is this one. to avoid the aparadhis, the offenders, whichever party they may be, cannot be “a bad thing”, a fact that modern ISKCON uses to enforce some of it’s more questionable plots such as expulsions. they often cite Srila Prabhupada’s Ashram Rules for living at 26 2nd ave, the standard for all “temple devotees” post 1965, as reason to expel philosphical challengers, while they themselves often violate those very “grounds for expulsion”. while their deviant accomplises, most with similiar “within ISKCON, GURU aspirations”, support their actions, physically, philospically, on the internet, and by co-optation of the ISKCON life membership base, we choose not to align ourselves with such thinking any more, regardless “who is holding the scepter this time?”. many have sumitted themselves to the modern ISKCON’s theory of “multiple acaryas”, and they may as well have sought pleasure from mulyiple wives. ain’t gonna happen!
this issue of “patience”, Yudhisthir’s old nemesis, is the telltale symptom of “neophyomania”TM, and all current “breeches of faith”, with, by, for, and/or about ISKCON can and will be resolved amicably, and that is the most terrifying prospect of all. where else can all this end but the battlefield, be it the law courts or a ‘mad max’ type settlement? THE EXACT SAME CATACLYSMIC CONDITIONS EXIST ON THIS PLANET AS DID AT THE TIME OF KURUKSETRA, and yet this escapes ISKCON’s greatest scholars, it’s GBC SAC. they cannot define “member” after 4 years of committee work(ISKCON Resolve is sooo overworked!), because there is no nice way to solict ass kissing, “go along to get along”, mindless wimps, which is all the modern ISKCON seeks as cadre. be thankful that KRSNA has spared you such an experience, and know that, as we do, that you are more of a devotee being outside of the temple worrying about The Deities, than the cock roach like “devotees” living in the temples these days, many of whom change The Deity Clothes about as often as they change their own cloth, weekly, usually.
Isopanisad has warned us the FATE of such pretenders, yet still many go there, and modern ISKCON’s scheme, this “multiple, by committee, DISOBEIENCE” charade, cannot be misunderstood as “the real Tree of Lord Caitanya”, anymore than a maple in boston in february represents the pollen factories of only a few months forward in time. KRSNA’s Devotees are “long suffering”, in fact, THEY ARE KNOWN FOR IT! that kind of PATIENCE is required, for it generates the anger in the hearts of the devotees, that spark, required to escalate the conflict between both parties claiming to represent the true interests of ISKCON, as Srila Prabhupada intended it be run in His Apparent Absense. He can never be Absent from His ISKCON. that must be the proper understanding, at least it is the one that gives us the most shelter at this time. thank you for your thoughts.
Thanks for your reply.
On the topic of patience.
So many people worldwide have woken up to the levels of corruption within the government, within the corporations, within the legal system (many judges and lawyers are Freemasons, and they are sworn the uphold the interests of the LAW SOCIETY before the interest of their own clients), and so on.
When are things going to fucking change? I will be optimistic and say that indeed, a lot of people have woken up but there are still so many braindead zombies, materialists, who all they seem to care about is Starbucks, McDonalds, celebrity magazines, material bullshit.
There is already a large enough segment of the population that is awake and ready for change, real change. But it is this zombie segment, the sheep, whatever you want to call them, that is holding back progress. I’m also not alone in this sentiment. You can peruse a few of the new age types of blogs and it is a very common sentiment, lots of people are wondering “When the fuck are things going to change?” As I pointed out before, this modern society has been intentionally designed and engineered to be this way by the demoniac elite. There’s actually no need to work 70 hours a week to survive. The demon elite has ENGINEERED this artificial system to be that way.
Just as there is no need to create GMOed foods which cause tumors and organ damage, or to make vaccines which create disease and brain damage, or to put fluoride in the water supply to lower their IQs, or to spray people with chem-trails, and so on and so on. Why do all of these things continue? Sure, the demoniac elite are evil for doing this stuff. But the common man is too stupid to protest or demand the govt to stop doing these things.
As for Kuruksetra, or a new world war or whatever. I sometimes wonder if the planet WOULD be much better off if all of the “useless eaters” were killed off. Gita talks about varna shankara, useless population, and it is getting worse. Something like 45 percent of children born in America are born to single mothers, outside wedlock. Statistics have already proven that children who grow up without a father are much more likely to be dysfunctional. 70 percent of criminals in America were raised by single mothers. Imagine how hellish America will become when the generation of bastard children who never had a father grow up. I think it will make the movie “A Clockwork Orange” look very tame in comparison. So perhaps it would be best if these useless eaters were killed off. Varna shankara has increased to such a degree that the planet needs a cleansing.
So who knows what will happen. Only time will tell. But many people’s patience, myself included, is wearing pretty thin at this point. If people don’t wake the fuck up and change this fucked up modern society, and start creating a new, more balanced world, then I hope WW3 starts and they are all killed off. Such ignorant, useless sub-humans don’t deserve to exist anyway.